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By Kinchy
#1105064
Sheff Blade
I agree totally with those two points.
I came from a home with no bathroom, just a two up two down, which anyone in the UK would not even consider living in.
There are across the city I spend half my year in, a considerable amount of brownfield sites and the urbanisation of the countryside would be a national scandal and would be a deplorable heritage to leave to those that will come after we are long gone.
Housing is a national crisis along with the NHS and Education. Hence my fervent backing to leave the EUSSR and stop paying a net amount of approx. £8 billion, when that money could and should be spent here to alleviate these crises.


[b]You present good arguments but they are wasted on me, as I just don’t think the Brexit you guys want is going to happen, and so you are not going to sway me. I’m well aware of the impacts of undercutting, I deal with it every day of my life here, but I have seen how it affects wages in the uk too, but I can’t see a mass exodus of polish builders happening, and yes I would like to see more control on immigration and the handout system that seems to attract many.


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I do not advocate a mass exodus of any EU WORKERS from the UK, but what I do advocate and support is a robust control of unskilled people coming to the UK and expecting to receive all the same benefits without having made any or hardly any contributions to the exchequer.

What I don’t understand from you kinchy, is how you are atacking the very foundation of the politics you support to win this argument, the beloved free market economy, are you suggesting that post Brexit we won’t use polish trucks and drivers and that employers will be falling all over themselves to pay Brit drivers more, come on mate we are trying to attain friction free trading with europe, and the rest of the world, nothing is going to change, people in the uk want to import cheap gear and services to make a huge profit in the uk, they don’t want to pay Brits to build better quality gear or provide quality service because there is not enough in it for them. Look at the past when Britain was ruling the world, did they share the wealth? I don’t think so.

I refer to Sheff Blades comments on this point.

I agree that immigration puts a huge pressure on the nhs education and housing and for that reason I think it should be controlled and the countryside should be urbanized now to deal with the huge underinvestment of the past. More houses more clinics, I’m not bothered about anyone’s view or property value, I think it’s time that you guys agreed that no one knows what they voted for and just wait and see what we ultimately accept, I hope it resembles what you guys wished for, but I can’t see it

You think its time we agreed that those voting Leave did NOT know what they were voting for?
That really is an incredibly patronising comment and could be asked to the 48% that voted to stay, but I have not yet heard anyone ask them, apart from the has been politicians aka Bliar, Clegg Cable Mandelsohn, Soubry - all supported by George Soros.
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By Sheff_Blade
#1105071
Kinchy wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:00 pm
You think its time we agreed that those voting Leave did NOT know what they were voting for?
I suspect everybody on both sides of the argument knew what THEY were voting for and their vision of the result, and I agree what actually happens may not be what they expected. BUT, I believe this would have been equally true if we had voted to remain. There was a very good chance that if Remain had won the referendum, then the EC would have taken that as a vote of confidence and an opportunity to push the limits: an end to the UK rebate, all members forced to join the Euro, more interference in individual members' economic policies (GDP spend, corporation tax etc), the EU army etc etc. So the concept that the remainers 'knew what they were voting for' is just as wrong.
By Burrababa
#1105076
Mrs Nelson wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:56 pm
As for knowing what you voted for you didn’t know then and you don’t know now,

If you knew back then, you would be aware of the final settlement of the irish border, what trading deal we will have with europe and how much we might pay to trade with them if at all or if we were just going to leave Europe’s trading sector and just go straight to the back of beyond, but be honest you don’t know do you.
Kev
:roll: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Come on Kev--what sort of argument is that --Are you saying that the Remoaners knew what they were voting against or were they voting blind :lol: :lol: You can't have it both ways !!!!

Of course the Leave voters knew what they were voting for----

they were voting for a proper immigration policy
they were voting to take back their powers that the EU had taken on
they voted for their own trade deals
they voted to give the NHS more money rather than money going to Poland and the likes
they were voting to enjoy bent cucumbers once again !! :lol: :lol:

I am not trying to wind anyone up--the Leavers have a vision--can't say the same about the Remoaners who behave like turkeys voting for Christmas :roll: :cry: :cry: :cry:
By Burrababa
#1105081
pete evans wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:23 pm
Does this so called "proper immigration policy" take into account immigration from commonwealth or non EU countries? What percentage is that at present?
Howdy partner!!! :D

I thought you had taken your ball home and did not want to play ?? :lol: :lol:
By Kinchy
#1105087
Port Sunlight ( a delightful place) was built by Levers and part of the site was a temperance hotel - key word temperance - a decision of the builders, not the workers.
As for knowing what you voted for you didn’t know then and you don’t know now,

If you knew back then, you would be aware of the final settlement of the irish border, what trading deal we will have with europe and how much we might pay to trade with them if at all or if we were just going to leave Europe’s trading sector and just go straight to the back of beyond, but be honest you don’t know do you. You have hopes and dreams, I hope they come true, I’m sorry I’m not trying to insult you or wind you up.

That is so wrong
I and many of my leave voting friends anticipated that the EUSSR would play the best hard ball game they could muster. We were under no illusions that the bullies of Brussels would do everything in their powers to frustrate the UK (who had the audacity to vote to leave) in its efforts to break free from their cabal.
They were so confident that the voters of the UK would not dare to vote leave and their arrogance was expressed in the way that they treated "call me Dave" as he went around Europe with his begging bowl. This has massively backfired on the EUSSR.
I voted to leave the Single Market, I voted to Leave the strangulation of the Customs Union, I voted to save the UK £8 billion a year, I voted to keep immigration to a manageable number in order for the UK services to be able to plan for an influx of people equivalent to a city the size of Stoke on Trent every year.
When I say services not only the NHS education and housing but the costs for benefits that would be needed.
Ah, the good old hot potato of the Irish border. Varadkar said the UK were not the friends of RoI recently. In the past day or so he is back tracking faster than an Italian tank in ww2.
The Common Travel Agreement has been in place since 1923 - even used it many times myself when working in Belfast and Dublin.
Tell me who has said that with a hard border there will be a return to the violence of "the troubles". Only that prat with the bad hair style and funny teeth. Verhofwhatever. The RoI has to think very seriously about its positioning and its comments.
Don't forget that all trucks leaving or entering the RoI use the UK as a land bridge via England and Wales or via N Ireland into/from Stranraer, or face quite long sea journeys directly into France for their onward journeys into mainland Europe and vice versa
The UK and the RoI could easily arrive at a negotiated agreement on the unique circumstances faced on the island of Ireland BUT the RoI cannot because they are governed by their masters in Brussels.
One other point regarding your posting. What are the EUSSR going to pay the UK for access to the very lucrative UK market bearing in mind the £80 billion deficit in favour of the EUSSR?
Leave means leave and the sooner the better !
By Burrababa
#1105091
Mrs Nelson wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 6:53 pm
You brexiteers were voting for a set of negotiations to take place. How can you argue you knew how these talk would end. .?.
  • Kev --you seem to think these negotiations will end in tears for UK ?? How do you know ?? LOL
:D :D

If these negotiations turn sour and prove to bear no fruit which they probably will given the record of the clowns running it, will you guys be honest and say yes that’s what I voted for ?

Kev--cross my heart --you have my word !! LOL :D :D :D

All these laws they impose on us, how much impact does it really have and will it have when they are gone, ok so we can deport a few bad apples, who will feel the impact of that ?

Kev--that is a no brainer mate --LOL :D :D :D

Remainers s on the other hand knew what they were voting for, to carry on as normal..

Kev--what is normal?? sleep walking into disaster ? LOL :roll:

So god help us, let’s hope we get a good deal or a chance to reject a bad one .

Kev--I believe for every drop of rain that falls
A flower grows
I believe that somewhere in the darkest night
A candle glows
8) 8) 8)


I have not heard of a temperance hotel before but have googled it. , I’m going to suggest there where no bars because lever wanted to control his workers in an attempt for greater productivity. I doubt any working man would have been consulted over this and or voted for an alcohol free bar. :D
Kev--God forbid--are you just trying to get out of buying me a beer !!! :D

Reminds me of a trip down under--I can empathize with this :wink: :wink: :wink:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8E0aZ387M_I

enjoy :roll: :roll: :roll:
By Kinchy
#1105098
I have not heard of a temperance hotel before but have googled it. , I’m going to suggest there where no bars because lever wanted to control his workers in an attempt for greater productivity. I doubt any working man would have been consulted over this and or voted for an alcohol free bar.

Check out Wikipedia.
Oh dear oh dear you insinuate that one of the greatest philanthropic families of the time built a village for workers without a pub so they could work their workers harder :oops:
No workers voted for this - what -, no probably not as they were more likely to be absolutely delighted for such a benevolent employer taking them out of disgusting housing.
Remainers s on the other hand knew what they were voting for, to carry on as normal..

Carry on as normal - what a joke
Is carry on as normal meaning the UK MUST accept Schengen?
Is carry on as normal meaning the UK must accept the Euro?
Is carry on as normal meaning the UK must agree to a national budget , imposed by the Brussels thugs?
Is carry on as normal meaning that the UK must accept that a single Brussels appointed Finance Minister to have control of the UK's finances?
Is carry on as normal meaning the UK must be part of the EUSSR Army?
Is carry on as normal meaning that the UK must go through the EUSSR bullies before it can speak to non EUSSR nations about bilateral trade deals?
Is carry on as normal meaning that all and sundry from the existing EUSSR states can wander into the UK and then the six proposed new members proposed by Jean Claude Drunker will also be allowed to hop on buses to London Victoria (particularly those from Albania)
Is carry on as normal meaning that the UK must adhere to the diktats of the EUSSR regarding the rate of Corporation Tax it sets in line with the rest of the EUSSR (except R o I of course at the moment)?
Aha - a new film" Carry on as Normal EUSSR" - a massive box office comedy or a horror story - probably both :shock:
By soapydave
#1105102
Negotiations, funny word that,
there can be two outcomes, favourable and un favourable,
there was a vote , before any negotiations ,
the negotiations have started, but no outcome reached as yet,
would favourable mean out,
and unfavourable mean stay in,
but no results of the NEGTIATIONS have been reached so who knows?
By Jimbo1916
#1105107
Mrs Nelson wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:21 am
food portions shrinking while the price increases, look at a box of quality st, or a mars bar, tiny.
The most pertinent thing you`ve said in this whole Brexit saga. :D
By Aviator
#1105108
I've just come across an interesting Twitter thread about the concerns of real people whose lives are being impacted by Brexit. It appears that British expats who have lived, worked or run businesses in Germany for many years are becoming increasingly worried that the UK government is abandoning them.

See link:
https://twitter.com/robertkapok/status/ ... 3412054016
By Kinchy
#1105115
Just look at the amount of homeless people on the uk streets, the folks in Germany have no chance

And how many of those "homeless" on the streets of the UK are actually EU migrants, (particularly from Romania/Bulgaria) who park their nice motors streets away from their begging pitches?
Regarding homeless people in more general terms. I have stopped and spoken to quite a few in my own city and others, and rather than give them money I have offered to buy them something to eat and drink.(EG a McD and a coffee))
I aint no saint by any means but feel morally obliged as a fellow human being to at least help albeit in a very very small way.
By Ketron
#1105120
Interesting thread, this has turned out to be. :D
Full marks to Mrs Nelson and her "theories" ... Haven't laughed so much in ages. :lol: :lol: :lol:
By Kinchy
#1105121
Ketron nice to see you back again.
Johnson speaking the truth and then Jean Claude Drunker says that he does NOT want a United States of Europe. What a lying piece of c**p that man is!
His State of the Union speech (sounds familiar to the US of A ) stated that he wanted closer political integration, closer fiscal integration, an expansion of the EUSSR's powers, an EUSSR army run (good word for many nations) from Brussels and yet he says that Johnson claim of a greater controlled UESSR is absolute nonsense.
Then we had EUSSR Uber feld webel Schultz saying that any nation that did not accept the Euro or Schengen must leave You really could not make this up.
An idea for Jean Claude and Guy Fawkes as well as the Tusky one.
Why not have a EUSSR wide referendum where all of the nations can let their citizens vote if they wanted to stay or leave the EU rinal. All voting on the same day right across the 27?
Those that want to stay - fine they can stay under the yolk of the EUSSR
Those that vote to leave can join the UK in a newer more dynamic trade group and trade together and work together to each others benefit without having to pay a Kings ransom to belong to a club.
If Brussels is SO convinced that it is so beloved by the citizens of Europe, then what have they got to lose? They dare not do it!
By Burrababa
#1105122
Food prices and house prices will fall significantly in the UK after Brexit

This will benefit the poorer and needy people considerably more than people realize

Fewer people starving and fewer homeless people in the UK--something that Remoaners need to applaud.
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By Sheff_Blade
#1105128
pete evans wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 6:21 pm
Waste of a good forum, driving people away again
Yes I'm afraid it's 'tosh' like this in place of sensible argument!
Mrs Nelson wrote:
Tue Feb 13, 2018 5:56 pm
..... trickle down wealth, don’t make me laugh, the conditions for the poor were improved because employers didn’t want syph and typhoid ridden workers coming in to work and spreading their illness around the factories ......
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