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By Jimbo1916
#1103941
Mrs Nelson wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 5:09 pm
What are you suggesting jimbo, that all the other women need to be cross examined before this scumbag gets what he deserves ?

As I said, whoever guarantees this guy is safe should be willing to share the cell with him if he goes astray.
Er...I`m not suggesting anything. It`s patently obvious that the scumbag hasn`t got what he deserves.

If he was arrested, charged and convicted on a particular case, and according to public opinion has not done enough time, what`s stopping the police arresting and charging him on a different crime. If the victim has to give evidence in court...well that`s how it works in the UK.

Maybe Old Boy can give his valued opinion.
#1104001
old boy wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:58 am
Not trying to defend anyone, but is it just possible that those who were responsible for the prosecution at the time of the trial in 2009 thought believed that, having been given an indeterminate sentence, that a parole board would exercise better judgement before even considering a release this soon.
It is possible that they believed that but from what I've read it would have been extremely stupid. Parole is awarded based on the sentence they were given and the judgement of the parole board as to whether they will re-offend; it is NOT based on the parole board 'guessing' what other crimes they may have committed.
old boy wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 11:58 am
It also has to be noted that it wasn't until after the end of the trial that most of the other females who claimed that they had also been attacked actually came forward. Again, the police at the time and those in the prosecution service may have felt that he wouldn't be released at this time, and therefore didn't feel the need to drag these females through the system. Apart from the huge costs involved in bringing further prosecutions.

But then, isn't hindsight a wonderful thing?
Hindsight is indeed a wonderful thing, but even better is intelligence and good judgement.
#1104002
old boy wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:53 pm
I would hope that the probation regime that has been set in this case will mean that any infringement means that he will be returned to prison immediately. This happens in other serious cases, such as the probation conditions for Venables, the Bulger child murderer. He is back in prison yet again because a) he broke his conditions again, and b)he also faces charges for storing illegal photos of children.
I believe any criminal on parole would be returned to prison if they as much as got a speeding fine, so I'm sure it will be just the same for this scum.
old boy wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:53 pm
I would sincerely hope that this time the courts wake up and invoke a life sentence with no further parole possibilities. He has proven, beyond any doubt, that he will always pose a danger to the public, and therefore needs to permanently lose his liberty. Unfortunately, that will cost the taxpayers.
I assume from this that you are referring to IF he re-offends?
By old boy
#1104009
Sheff_Blade wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:21 pm
I assume from this that you are referring to IF he re-offends?


I am referring to Venables; he has been charged, and his trial is scheduled for later this year, although it will be held in private, possibly in front of only a judge.

He has been provided with at least two new sets of identity because people keep trying to publicise his latest identity. These people need to wake up to the fact that they are just wasting public money forcing the authorities to keep renewing his IDs. Mind you, Venables should stop breaking both the law and his parole conditions.
By Jimbo1916
#1104014
old boy wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 4:37 pm
Mind you, Venables should stop breaking both the law and his parole conditions.
Venables should do everyone a favour and go and top himself, which should have happened in the first place, irrespective of his age.

He was born evil and will die evil.
By old boy
#1104017
Jimbo1916 wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 6:30 pm
If he was arrested, charged and convicted on a particular case, and according to public opinion has not done enough time, what`s stopping the police arresting and charging him on a different crime. If the victim has to give evidence in court...well that`s how it works in the UK.


A number of things would need to be taken into consideration.

Firstly, would any of the alleged claimants be prepared to give evidence in any prosecution. However, that leads to secondly, is there any evidence in existence that would indicate that there is a likely case to prosecute?

As I said before, I believe that these claimants only came forward subsequent to the end of the original trial. One needs to ask the question of why they only did so after he was found guilty? The whole trial, in fact events leading up to the trial, gained a huge amount of publicity so one would assume the claimants must have known about the cases. Why didn't they come forward at that time so that there claims could be investigated?

But I still return to the fact that the judge handed down an indeterminate sentence, with a minimum term of 8 years before parole could be considered. It was, possibly, derelict of the then Attorney General in not referring the sentence to the Appeal Court to have the minimum term made considerably longer. Or even no minimum, which the ECHR have determined is legal.
By Jimbo1916
#1104018
I was under the impression that there was enough evidence to charge him for other offences but that the CPS assumed that he would serve a long sentence and that it wouldn't make any difference making more victims go through the trauma of appearing in court.

Am I wrong in that analysis.
By old boy
#1104028
Jimbo1916 wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:21 pm
I was under the impression that there was enough evidence to charge him for other offences but that the CPS assumed that he would serve a long sentence and that it wouldn't make any difference making more victims go through the trauma of appearing in court.

Am I wrong in that analysis.


My impression is that the police did not investigate the claims made by the women in sufficient detail, and in some cases, The Metropolitan Police didn't even believe the claims. Two claimants have actually won damages against the Met for failing to investigate their claims, but I read that the Yard are now appealing against those findings.

In fact, the CPS rejected around 70 cases in and around 2008/9 because of a lack of evidence. Far be it for me to suggest the police failed to properly investigate the claims, but you are free to reach your own conclusions. I would add that Judge Green, in his findings in favour of the two female claimants against the Met, commented that the Met had failed, in general, to properly investigate most cases of rape and sexual assault of females.

I couldn't possibly comment!
By cameron
#1104041
Sheff_Blade wrote:
Mon Jan 08, 2018 2:21 pm
old boy wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:53 pm
I would hope that the probation regime that has been set in this case will mean that any infringement means that he will be returned to prison immediately. This happens in other serious cases, such as the probation conditions for Venables, the Bulger child murderer. He is back in prison yet again because a) he broke his conditions again, and b)he also faces charges for storing illegal photos of children.
I believe any criminal on parole would be returned to prison if they as much as got a speeding fine, so I'm sure it will be just the same for this scum.
old boy wrote:
Sat Jan 06, 2018 12:53 pm
I would sincerely hope that this time the courts wake up and invoke a life sentence with no further parole possibilities. He has proven, beyond any doubt, that he will always pose a danger to the public, and therefore needs to permanently lose his liberty. Unfortunately, that will cost the taxpayers.
I assume from this that you are referring to IF he re-offends?
Not true that they would be returned to prison even with a speeding fine. I was stabbed and robbed by someone who was on weekend release from prison prior to his parole where he was serving time for robbing a post office and beating the postmaster with a plank of wood with nails in. After being released 2 months later ( despite attacking me ) he and another kidnapped a local lad who was security at Boots and therefore regarded as the enemy. They tied him up, beat him, burnt him with cigarettes and made him drink their urine. He was returned to prison for 2 weeks then released as the probation service thought his crimes weren't serious enough to warrant keeping him in.
#1104042
cameron wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:51 pm
Not true that they would be returned to prison even with a speeding fine. I was stabbed and robbed by someone who was on weekend release from prison prior to his parole where he was serving time for robbing a post office and beating the postmaster with a plank of wood with nails in. After being released 2 months later ( despite attacking me ) he and another kidnapped a local lad who was security at Boots and therefore regarded as the enemy. They tied him up, beat him, burnt him with cigarettes and made him drink their urine. He was returned to prison for 2 weeks then released as the probation service thought his crimes weren't serious enough to warrant keeping him in.
I was being flippant with the reference to a speeding file but that is horrendous. I've tried Googling it but couldn't find anything. What's this bloke's name and where did this happen? Everyone (based in the UK) should write to their MP about that because something is seriously wrong there. Whilst I do believe in the rule of law and proper process, I do think that the UK is far too lenient towards criminals and this is a classic case that should be publicised to 'move the pendulum' back in favour of law-abiding citizens and victims.
By jimny1
#1104044
Theres not much i admire about the USA , but i do like their death row system
They should bring it to the UK , but i know that will never happen
Its easier to incarcerate murderers and rapists etc, cloth, feed them, let them watch tv and all the other luxuries even some old age pensioners and people on the streets cant afford and cost the tax payers £30,000 a year per criminal
Imagine how far that cost could go towards helping the NHS
Dream on
By cameron
#1104177
Sheff_Blade wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2018 2:56 pm
cameron wrote:
Tue Jan 09, 2018 12:51 pm
Not true that they would be returned to prison even with a speeding fine. I was stabbed and robbed by someone who was on weekend release from prison prior to his parole where he was serving time for robbing a post office and beating the postmaster with a plank of wood with nails in. After being released 2 months later ( despite attacking me ) he and another kidnapped a local lad who was security at Boots and therefore regarded as the enemy. They tied him up, beat him, burnt him with cigarettes and made him drink their urine. He was returned to prison for 2 weeks then released as the probation service thought his crimes weren't serious enough to warrant keeping him in.
I was being flippant with the reference to a speeding file but that is horrendous. I've tried Googling it but couldn't find anything. What's this bloke's name and where did this happen? Everyone (based in the UK) should write to their MP about that because something is seriously wrong there. Whilst I do believe in the rule of law and proper process, I do think that the UK is far too lenient towards criminals and this is a classic case that should be publicised to 'move the pendulum' back in favour of law-abiding citizens and victims.
Far too late now as it was 20 years ago, I was just grateful my husband and son didn’t get to him before he was arrested and it wasn’t for the lack of trying. He is still around in the Redditch area along with his twin brother.
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