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By Ketron
#1097683
johnnyC wrote:
Tue Aug 08, 2017 5:16 pm
update!

Result of a poll in yesterday,s Daily Mirror ..."should assisted suicide be legalised in the Uk?"
97% Yes. 3% No

How can the politicians, lawyers, and religious objectors deny such a will for it??
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Same with Capital Punishment , JohnnyC
Last survey i saw ...83% of the public asked ,were in favour of it being re-introduced for murder and terrorism offences.
Pity the government didn't have a referendum on that.
By TVTechnology
#1103178
Always found this a little over-reaching.

At the end of it all, my life is my life - I couldn't care less about what any politician in any party says.

If I had a terminal illness & was in pain and chewing up money which could be better spent on those with a future (family), then i'd do what is required in order to not put myself or my family though any more unnecessary pain.

It's not if they can do anything after the fact is it?
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By Sheff_Blade
#1103245
If only real life were as simple as that. The problems start when families start putting pressure on parents etc to commit suicide because they see their inheritance dwindling away on health and care bills. It probably happens now but imagine if were as simple as going down to the 'retirement' clinic: "Don't bother packing a bag mum, and just leave your bank card on the kitchen table with the PIN number!"
By Jimbo1916
#1103246
This is typical propaganda bandied about the anti assisted suicide brigade and borders on the ridiculous. There are too many safeguards in place anyway.

Take a look at the facts.........https://www.dignityindying.org.uk/

And suicide is the wrong term. Suicide is undertaken for several reasons......Depression....A cry for help sometimes......Remorse..... Even accidently ... There are many reasons.

But in the main it`s by people who are physically healthy with a full life ahead of them. In other words .. not dying and in excruciating pain.

Dignity in Dying means exactly what it says.
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By Sheff_Blade
#1103260
You say there are safeguards but as assisted suicide is illegal I have no idea what you are referring to. The website is simple an 'advert' for assisted suicide so hardly offers any safeguards.

Suicide is the taking of one's own life, voluntarily and intentionally, so it is exactly the right term. As to 'dignity in dying', that's just another meaningless strapline; death is death and there's nothing dignified about it.

I have no strong views, one way or the other, so I'm certainly not part of any brigade. I am simply putting one side of the argument in the interest of balance. There would need to be some very specific checks and balances written into any such law.
By Jimbo1916
#1103262
Sheff_Blade wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 10:39 pm
I have no strong views, one way or the other,
You could have fooled me.

Read the website properly .. It`s informing, not advertising.

What`s so difficult to understand the following statement and by the way, both my wife and I are talking from personal experience with loved ones and I`m not going to cheapen the issue with ill informed banter ... This is my last word on the matter.

ASSISTED DYING
Assisted dying allows a dying person the choice to control their death if they decide their suffering is unbearable
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By Burrababa
#1104626
Jimbo1916 wrote:
Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:01 pm
This is typical propaganda bandied about the anti assisted suicide brigade and borders on the ridiculous. There are too many safeguards in place anyway.

Take a look at the facts.........https://www.dignityindying.org.uk/

And suicide is the wrong term. Suicide is undertaken for several reasons......Depression....A cry for help sometimes......Remorse..... Even accidently ... There are many reasons.

But in the main it`s by people who are physically healthy with a full life ahead of them. In other words .. not dying and in excruciating pain.

Dignity in Dying means exactly what it says.
Good post John---people need to be able to explore all avenues --it is every individual's will that should prevail !!!
By rspltd
#1110674
I think the most significant word in the whole debate is ‘assisted’. Suicide is the taking of one’s life but from here things become a little muddier. Does providing a drink of poison which is taken by the person count as assistance? It would seem in some circumstances it does? I do not understand why a lot of these people put themselves through such discomfort when the means are readily available much closer to home. Twenty or so aspirin washed down with half a bottle of spirits would do the job nicely with no fuss and a peaceful death. However it would seem that most people want someone else to actually do it - would that be murder? If you want to do it go ahead and do it just don’t involve someone else in doing it for you.
By Beardyboy
#1113003
Watching someone you dearly love suffering hell, incapable of doing anything for themselves makes you realise that if it were a beloved pet, you would take it to the vet to be put out of it’s misery. Without question, assisted death should not be illegal. Totally agree that some would try to exploit others but I am referring to people who make it clear that this is their wish....indeed, their dying wish.
Jimbo is correct, you need to witness a loved one who is experiencing a dreadful end before making any hard and fast decisions.

I hope none of us ever have the need to want an assisted death but if they do, I hope they have a good friend.
By gail1
#1113095
Assisted suicide seems so wrong, but until you have been personally involved with someone who is suffering and has no quality of life whatsoever you realise what it is that YOU yourself would want, and should you deny your loved one?
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