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By Union man
#1120302
So what buisness is needed in this area what is missing. Yes its nit easy to set up a buisness in spain.
I suspect most people have thought of everything. ? Or have they !
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By Union man
#1120347
Sheff_Blade wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 1:10 pm
Micro-brewery producing real ale

Yes I think the same but will the people pay extra and drink real ale in the summer it goes through my head and a lot of investment needed for the record brewed several brews and have a lot of experience just what interest. Also you have to give a lot of beer away to start but with some interest it can be done but as we say in Spain the tax laws on alcohol maybe somewhat different and for every 1 cask / pin you need around 8 so it’s by no mean short task and bars would need a hand pump which are not cheap probably around £20.000. For starters and some good drinkers. But who knows
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By Sheff_Blade
#1120376
Agreed, but for the reasons you give, culture, weather etc, I wouldn't go for hand-pulled, I'd propose chilled, pressurised keg(?) along with bottles and cans. Cans are very trendy in the UK at the moment; I've seen them for £3 or £4 per small can in real-ale shops and the pop-up bars that are popping-up all over now. I doubt Brits in Spain will pay these prices but suspect there is some demand, in fact I noticed the other week that some Spanish breweries are picking up on the increasing popularity of IPA. I think it was on a can of Mahou IPA I was reading all about IPA resulting from bottles of pale ale being sent to India in the Raj.

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By woodhai
#1120515
Hi did you know there is a micro brewery at Torre Pacheco? It's called Planet brewing, they have a website showing where they supply. End of our street is Illy's bar (used to be Witherspoonstill big Trev sold it and went to the Dog and Firkin in Catral, he also sells it).
Ian
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By Sheff_Blade
#1120551
woodhai wrote:
Sat Sep 14, 2019 2:23 pm
Hi did you know there is a micro brewery at Torre Pacheco? It's called Planet brewing, they have a website showing where they supply. End of our street is Illy's bar (used to be Witherspoonstill big Trev sold it and went to the Dog and Firkin in Catral, he also sells it).
Ian
Ian, you are a star! www.anotherplanetbrewing.com

It looks like they started about two years ago.

The downside is that they don't have any outlets in or around Torrevieja but it looks good. The revolution has started!
By TVTechnology
#1122215
I thought the original post, was coming up with a new or easy idea to set up? Anything going back to the drinks business which does work well, has been done & usually to the point of saturation.

The drinks business - It's one of the least original and difficult businesses to crack or make real money from. The experienced & big players are the ones that make the money in this area.

An example of a good business idea? How about a device which offers 80-90% the efficiency of existing solar hot water, but at under half the installation cost to the end user? There is always a market to save people money.
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By Sheff_Blade
#1122223
TVTechnology wrote:
Wed Oct 23, 2019 10:16 am
I thought the original post, was coming up with a new or easy idea to set up? Anything going back to the drinks business which does work well, has been done & usually to the point of saturation.

The drinks business - It's one of the least original and difficult businesses to crack or make real money from. The experienced & big players are the ones that make the money in this area.

An example of a good business idea? How about a device which offers 80-90% the efficiency of existing solar hot water, but at under half the installation cost to the end user? There is always a market to save people money.
Have you invented this device which offers 80-90% the efficiency of existing solar hot water, but at under half the installation cost to the end user? If you have, then I would certainly get this going as a new business if I were you.

I suspect Union Man was looking for plausible ideas, not wishful thinking. The original question was for missing or needed opportunities. I see around the UK a huge rise in new micro-breweries and craft/real ale pop-up bars; I don't see the equivalent in Spain but feel there may be an opportunity for a different approach. The Spanish seem to be becoming more adventurous in the taste for beers (increasing sales of IPA and negra stouts for example), and areas with large Brit populations, and other north Europeans, would be a good place to start.
By TVTechnology
#1122231
Have you invented this device which offers 80-90% the efficiency of existing solar hot water, but at under half the installation cost to the end user? If you have, then I would certainly get this going as a new business if I were you.
Yes. I didn't just pull it out of thin air. It's actually something I've know for a little while - just don't have the time for that much, so lots of ideas sidelined until I either find the time or someone I wish/trust to work with.

If you look to the future, it would suggest (based globally), that there will be more growth in the Cannabis market (but we need to see some more law/legal changes first), than the alcohol one - not sure how Spanish give a fig about craft Brit beers, some will & perhaps a swanky bar in a larger city, where your clients are a bit more upmarket/adventurous than the average Mahou drinker, locally though, they are poor & craft beer cost much more than local (which they'll support), so would have to target carefully. If I was looking to do, perhaps in Madrid, Barcelona maybe Valencia - but as an overall, not sure. Yes you could sell a few craft beers in expat areas - but i'd suggest that's small volume & more to the point - someones clearly doing it already & judging by the 4 odd examples of bar on their website, presently i'd be unconvinced it's either a new business or overlooked & locally anyway - with a load of frankly not the wealthiest expats - small fry. Maybe Marbella better. Just my opinion - I don't work for a brewery. :wink:

We also now have a secondary issue now, which I'm assuming has been overlooked. Many Spanish now, think based on the Brexit, we are a bunch of numpties, lost a load of respect internationally, which will affect how British companies, products (and people) are perceived overseas.

Whilst this is yet to truly hit, the days off trading off 'made in the UK', as positive thing, may well be perceived in the short-medium term as a negative. I've already experienced uncomfortable conversations with the Spanish and other Europeans on this matter. To be perceived as an idiot by others for no reason, thank you Brexit.
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By Union man
#1122234
Yes a very true comment and perhaps the sooner I set up the new forum and concentrate on this the better I have found a hosting company and also a domain and the template which will be the same all but the colour I really want this to work folks and also any advertisement wish to join us your welcome
By TVTechnology
#1122244
I'm probably going to get butchered for saying this.

Union man - I hope your 'new forum' idea - is something like an 'infill project' for you and not a real business - or something you have a passion about and the time for. If you are doing this to make money and are not experienced in this sector - it's a giant waste of time and you won't make much money off it. Fine if you've got nothing better to do or just want to start a forum - but the reality of it is, it is not a money maker.

I nearly bought this forum when it had good numbers of traffic a few years ago, but Gary & I were not on the same page of reality costs. I know what this website generates, as know the costs of the advertising and can add up :wink:

For reference, I do know a little of what I speak about as have a stake in a media/website/marketing company - www.fiestamedia.net which I will tell you straight off the bat, was not a good investment! But a few useful lessons learnt.

To get advertisers to make good money, you need traffic, to get traffic - 'internet gold' is the key, which is one reason I invested previously in an internet marketing company - to gain a better understanding.

I did learn, sadly - that the best real way to go about this, is to throw a load of money into marketing - Facebook, Google - Instagram adverts, directing traffic to your site - let it build, then maybe after some time you start seeing a return.

Whilst specialist forums are popular (gardening/watch collecting etc) - generic area Forums, struggle against Facebook groups, which is where I think the majority of users congregate now. But if you can bring something unique and clever, anything is possible -- but just take a step back and decide what you want from this - as it may well really eat into your time, for little return.

Sorry, not meaning to 'rain on your parade' - just being straight with you. Better to know the potential downsides, before setting off on your journey - as I said if 'it is just for fun', & you have the time - then go for it. But if not, avoid.
By Jimbo1916
#1122245
If this forum was making money Gary would have kept it going and forums cost money to run
The only way is advertising and that doesn`t happen overnight .. if at all.

Of course you could always charge members €5 a year to join and looking at potential members from here .. that`s €20 a year straight off the bat. :wink:
By TVTechnology
#1122249
Of course you could always charge members €5 a year to join and looking at potential members from here .. that`s €20 a year straight off the bat. :wink:
You could try, but good luck with that business model. Not a way to build a base. Not that €5 is much worth mentioning, just most resent paying for anything unless it's linked to a service or something specifically unique which users want.

Free classifieds always bring some traffic, which would be my starting point - build up some regulars, get some useful contributors - people that can write something useful which gets search on / researched. When you have traffic, then slowly-slowly, you can get advertisers on board. Don't forget you are competing with Google & Facebook, which can demonstrate the exact 'pay per click' type results - forums cannot, but they can show 'unique URLs' (not hits), which is the key metric for someone looking to advertise and knows the game.

Gary with respect was a builder who by chance bought the Torrevieja.co.uk domain & stumbled forwards in a time when there was little competition - right place, right time.

It is, however, a different world now online to when this forum started.

The domain has some value, but it's not a big number.
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By Union man
#1122252
yes thinking on this perhaps. the investment is now such that it might be a non starter and perhaps. the forum is a dying breed we don't want to be millionaire but it has to do something than just sit and moderator
there is some great people here and its a great shame but really. we have done some very big research this week and priced all the
Hosting
Template
domain.

and its not expensive but its the time consuming element. which cause a concern for us so as they say in dragons Den ]

I AM OUT and we won't be investing
but we may well be looking at Utube so do watch out for that.

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