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By Burrababa
#1112741
Spain's minimum wage will jump by 22% in 2019 - the largest annual increase in more than 40 years.

It means millions of low-paid workers could see a pay rise from €736 ($835; £665) to €900, effective from January.

Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez announced the increase on Wednesday, declaring "a rich country cannot have poor workers".

The announcement comes two days after France's president Emmanuel Macron announced a €100 increase for minimum wage earners from 2019.


Sounds great --would be better if people had jobs though !!!!
By TVTechnology
#1112750
In 15 years of being here - everyone earns €1000 a month. :D

If they say they earn €500, often the employer pays the rest in cash. I've seen this time after time, from small to big companies. Always this hidden element.

Still, €900 a month is not going to pay a mortgage and support a family easily, guess a step in the right direction.

Perhaps it should be more performance related - starting with the town halls, paid in full, work half as hard (or less) than the average workers. Hmm. Never quite balances out for everyone, does it.

Not sure how Spain is a rich country. Rich in heritage perhaps, but still much more room to grow business wise.

They should start off by sacking the idiots responsible for any form of business licenses, as Spain 'is not open for business' - too many obstacles, differences in answers, town halls who can't tell you what or why. I could have probably set up another few local businesses, if it wasn't for the fact everytime i've been down or sent someone down to a town hall to investigate, it seems like having a lobotomy would be an easier experience :D

Not only do people need reasonably paid jobs, people need opportunity - new and growing business is the lifeblood of this & it needs to be facilitated. About the only thing America has right. Spain has made a couple of minor steps, reducing social security payments initially - but the planning, licensing and overall paperwork side of things, needs a massive ground-up overhaul - if they made Spain a good place to conduct business - AND NOT JUST FOR THE SPANISH - then this country could be a European powerhouse. Maybe in the next generation or two :wink:
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By Sheff_Blade
#1112751
Burrababa wrote:
Thu Dec 13, 2018 6:57 pm
Spain's minimum wage will jump by 22% in 2019 - the largest annual increase in more than 40 years.

It means millions of low-paid workers could see a pay rise from €736 ($835; £665) to €900, effective from January.

Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez announced the increase on Wednesday, declaring "a rich country cannot have poor workers".

The announcement comes two days after France's president Emmanuel Macron announced a €100 increase for minimum wage earners from 2019.
A stroke of genius! But why stop there? Put it up to 2000 euros per month, or even 3000 euros, and Spain can become a very rich country overnight. What could possibly go wrong?
By Newmaney
#1112760
freddo wrote:
Sat Dec 15, 2018 10:20 am
And where would the money come from???????????
The same could be said about where the money is coming from now for Spain to increase the minimum wage.
By TVTechnology
#1112763
The same could be said about where the money is coming from now for Spain to increase the minimum wage.
My suggestion would be to sack half of the government, starting with the time wasters in the town halls -who believe they have a 'job for life' should be reminded that is not a 'given' as the level of commitment and work, is unacceptable. In a private business, many would simply lose their job, if they performed in the manner they do now. If they trimmed off the fat, restructured and removed many obstacles with their unnecessary love of duplicated & pointless paperwork, this would save a lot of costs/time & get businesses moving to earn money quicker = more tax (and reduced expenditure) back in the bin. No multiple visits to town halls for the same bit of paper - time, money, fuel, staff - waste.

You could, go back the 1920's odd and take 90% highest tax rate off the highest paid celebs & footballers. No running off internationally and avoiding it either - new rules! I have no time for people earning 100 million a year and keeping it all, I'm sure you could live on 10 million a year in relative comfort!

Then, add 20% additional tax to the huge online companies such as Amazon who take the p*ss by putting their businesses in somewhere to avoid tax. This is coming, certainly in the UK - maybe rest of Europe - perhaps not 20%, but they really get away with it and gives them a massive advantage over smaller businesses (as well as the obvious purchasing power of the big companies).

I think it is fundamentally wrong, that small companies/individuals pay more tax than mega-corporations who earn fortunes. That's where a lot of money is not getting back into the system, but making billionaires, who pay little or no tax.

Summary - Take more of the rich & cut down pointless government expenditure & waste. Great in theory, but as we know - it rarely pans out in practice!
By Newmaney
#1112766
I can only judge from where I live on the Orihuela Costa. There is nothing in the area that would suggest that an increase in the minimum wage was warranted. Empty commercial units (incl. at Zenia Boulevard) and too many new/resale properties on the market. As they say everything goes around in circles and I can see Spain catching a cold again. Property bubble is going to burst.
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By Sheff_Blade
#1112778
It all goes to show what a waste of time any form of minimum wage or living wage really is. It's either so low that it's irrelevant, or so high that it stifles investment and the economy. Either way, the idea that some civil servant or politician can dream-up a living wage (whatever that means) is fantasy. At the end of the day an employer pays what they believe to be a fair wage and if no one takes the job then that might indicate that they are not paying enough. It's called market forces, and I've yet to see a more efficient system.
By TVTechnology
#1112818
I also think whole minimum wage - here anyway is a bit of a farce. I've yet to meet a FULL TIME employee of any bar or restaurant in Orihuela Costa, who is not on a PART TIME contract, but with half or a substantial part of their salary in cash.- Their employer pays less tax, the employee has reduced pension rights & pays fewer taxes and from the government side looks like, everyone in OC working part-time or for not much money - which clearly is not quite as it is.

I've also seen some quite large companies - not bars/restaurants - 200+ employees pull the same stunt, staff still getting envelopes of cash - are these some of the minimum paid workers :?:

Politicians, have expenses/expense accounts that the rest of us can only dream of & when they don't have that, they usually manage a way of finding someone to give them something of value in exchange for political favours.

Perhaps we should set up a charity like Mr Trump, then we can use it to pay our legal bills & for expensive artwork in our offices - at least we know how the rich get richer.

Having said all of that, for those working in the likes of fast food restaurants, who get paid properly but ALWAYS minimum wage, any increase will be welcome, if probably inadequate.

I always found the best way to keep staff happy - aside from paying them a fair salary, is to put them on a profit share of the company, they work hard, the company does well, everyone involved gets the benefit.

I think I may be halfway between a socialist and a capitalist?
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