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By Kinchy
#1108025
Ah now we come to the real nub of the situation!
Your bank account and the less euros you get for your pound. That is the governing and overriding criteria for you is it not?
So, you might have to have one less MDD every fortnight or buy a cheaper wine or buy less from Iceland and see what alternatives might be available at Mercadona?
Selfish reasons that have no bearing on the force of UK exports across the world as sterling settles, only your selfish me me me "Oh how I am suffering since this Brexit thing happened"
My grandsons have read your comments and patronising was one of their words - the others are not printable :oops:
By Kinchy
#1108028
Please explain in greater detail how I am confusing comments.
I am not personally insulting you , because as you say quite rightly I am British.
BUT I am British through and through.I am proud of my heritage, I am not nor never will be an apologist for how my great nation built its wealth and influence in the world, I will stand by any of the flags of this great United Kingdom and respect the differences between those four parts of our great nation - its peoples, its cultures, its heritage, its disagreements, its thoughts and ambitions for the future as well as respecting the achievements and failures of the past.
We are a nation so different to so many on earth and that is what makes our DNA and that is what drives me forward to bring this great nation back to control so many aspects of the day to day life of this nation.
You may and no doubt will call my posting jingoistic and outdated, well that is your God given right to have an opinion,BUT mine will never change from what I have written above.
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By Jimbo1916
#1108029
pete evans wrote:
Sun May 13, 2018 8:23 pm
Look at my bank account since the decision to leave, what does that say?
It says a lot about you, if that`s you `re only gripe .. which it seems to be.

Like the other Remoaners on here, you haven`t put forward any intelligent , sensible, reasoned arguments as to why the UK should remain in the UK ... Only doom and gloom when it does leave.

Whereas the Brexiteers have given cited plenty.

What kind of a debate is that. :D
By pete evans
#1108030
what other gripes are more important. Money is what matters, certainly to me. Now please dont get personal. Please stop asking me for details. if you want something I will issue an Invoice as normal.
By Mr Jones
#1108034
Kinchy, you should apologise to pete, your tone is nasty, if money is important to him, then that’s his choice, when have you ever voted for a pay drop or a rent increase or to lose a benefit.
Regarding being sold down the river, My old friend used to suggest that retired pensioners on this forum would not be too happy working in the uk under the current climate, the shortage of housing, the crazy prices of rented houses and the unsecurity of tenure, the gig economy,tuition fees, the dependency on 1000% apr loans and the reluctance of banks to lend at a decent rate. I don’t agree with Kev that we inflicted this deliberately on our kids and grandkids, we sleepwalked in to the mess that is now the uk, but you can’t deny that today’s kids won’t have the security and peace of mind we enjoyed when we started our working lives. Brexit will not affect pensioners like us here, we own houses and have money in the bank and will never worry about putting food on the table and having sturdy shoes on our feet, and if the fridge breaks it’s no big deal, I for one won’t need a loan at million percent interest. Brexit will affect our kids and grandkids and to deny them a say on the biggest decision of their lives is shameful in my opinion. I hope Brexit works out well but I have hoped for many things that didn’t turn out as planned. I think that the Brexit team should be factoring in a policy for rejoining europe in 5 to 10 years time if the next generation of voters decides that the decision of a group who could be pushing up daisies by then was wrong. If this option is not available and things go wrong for them,well we did indeed sell them down the river.

MJ
By pete evans
#1108035
thank you Mr Jones. As you can probably tell I dont think Brexit will make much change except restriction of movement and money, Not fair really for younger generations, losing the freedom of movement. It is them that might rebel.
People on here should remember everyone has an opinion.
By Mr Jones
#1108039
pete evans wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 10:35 am
thank you Mr Jones. As you can probably tell I dont think Brexit will make much change except restriction of movement and money, Not fair really for younger generations, losing the freedom of movement. It is them that might rebel.
People on here should remember everyone has an opinion.
You are welcome pete.
Jimbo1916 wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 8:13 am
pete evans wrote:
Sun May 13, 2018 8:23 pm
Look at my bank account since the decision to leave, what does that say?
It says a lot about you, if that`s you `re only gripe .. which it seems to be.

Like the other Remoaners on here, you haven`t put forward any intelligent , sensible, reasoned arguments as to why the UK should remain in the UK ... Only doom and gloom when it does leave.

Whereas the Brexiteers have given cited plenty.

What kind of a debate is that. :D
What’s your point, should I ask where is your point? Don’t take the credit for kinchys work, that makes you look dim.

Pot kettle black
Last edited by Mr Jones on Mon May 14, 2018 11:13 am, edited 1 time in total.
By Kinchy
#1108040
I see no reason to apologise at all, and will not take instructions from you - simples.
So your analogy is that those that voted for Btrexit voted for a decrease in the exchange rate they obtain?
Never had any benefit, but I fail to see exactly what that has to do with the matter in hand? Regarding the sharp practice of 1000% loan companies, yes they should be closed down or forced legally to bring the loan rates to a sensible percentage, but again I fail to see the correlation between loan companies and voting to leave the EUSSR.
I was to understand that your old friend was not going to be brought into discussions - do you not recall his continuous statements that pensioners should hand back their pensions because they paid only 10 bob a week?
The mess that is the UK? Well that is an interesting staement to say the least. If the UK is such a mes then why do over 230,000 EU nationals ANNUALLY want to live there?
Could it be that the housing crisis you so ably atriculate has been brought about by unfettered immigration, and that also applies to schools, GP surgeries and a massive ever growing strain on the finances of the NHS.
How can you be so certain that Brexit will adversely effect our kids and grandkids?
I only know that my daughter, her partner and her two boys all voted to Leave, because they saw the glass as half full and not half empty, and wanted a country that was not run by a Federalist cabal called the EU. They all spoke of the opportunities that the UK could look forward to whilst getting back control of laws,borders and money.
So almost all of those that voted Brtexit will be pushing up daisies? I would have thought it better for you to bring evidence of the demographics and ages of those that voted Leave, to back up your comment.
Factor in another referendum in 5 - 10 years time? Well perhaps that might be a very good idea especially if the UK by that time had become stronger economically and the strains of sending a net contribution of £8 billion a year to Brussels was used in the UK and not to build motorways in Eastern states whilst UK roads are akin to a third world nation.
If things go wrong as you say then of course they may have the right to change things, but what if things go tremendously well?
17.4 million voted Leave, 16 million voted remain, are the ones that could not be arsed to vote now the most vocal against leave, because they perhaps(wrongly) thought that remain would easily win?
By Mr Jones
#1108042
I see no reason to apologise at all, and will not take instructions from you - simples.
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.



So your analogy is that those that voted for Btrexit voted for a decrease in the exchange rate they obtain?
Erm no, you said that, it seems that you are an expert at putting words in other people’s mouths to make your point.
How can you be so certain that Brexit will adversely effect our kids and grandkids?
How can you be so certain it won’t ? That’s why they need the option to give Brexit ten years then keep it or bin it or bin it even sooner, like when the final deal is revealed.

If the UK is such a mes then why do over 230,000 EU nationals ANNUALLY want to live there?
Could it be that the housing crisis you so ably atriculate has been brought about by unfettered immigration, and that also applies to schools, GP surgeries and a massive ever growing strain on the finances of the NHS.
Relative to a country that’s experiencing hard times, the uk is paradise.

I agree immigration puts pressure on housing and infrastructure, but so does the decimation of social housing and under investment in the nhs etc, our aging population, our kids won’t look after us, it’s down to them nasty immigrants isn’t it ?
By Kinchy
#1108056
There are none so blind as those who refuse to see.

Refuse to see what? That you think I should apologise? So if that is your opinion then that is all it is your opinion nothing more.


Erm no, you said that, it seems that you are an expert at putting words in other people’s mouths to make your point.

So now who is throwing out the insults? I asked a question, not putting words in other peoples mouths as you somewhat rudely state.

How can you be so certain it won’t ? That’s why they need the option to give Brexit ten years then keep it or bin it or bin it even sooner, like when the final deal is revealed.

No one will know what Brexit will bring, but those that voted leave believe that the UK will be better as a sovereign nation after Brexit. Bin it even sooner - ah the peoples vote advocated by the likes of Blair, Clegg Mandelson et al. The vote to leave was just that to leave and if you read the Taxpayer paid for pamphlet from call me Dave it said that the UK government will implement that decision. No second referendum and it will take more than ten years for another referendum on rejoining the cabal so quite frankly you are deluded to think that there will be another vote.

Relative to a country that’s experiencing hard times, the uk is paradise.

Relative to a country that is experiencing hard times? What hard times are there in Bulgaria, Romania, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania Hungary and Slovak Republic for example? Are there civil wars in any of those nations? Are there repressive regimes in any of those countries? So please explain experiencing "hard times"?

I agree immigration puts pressure on housing and infrastructure, but so does the decimation of social housing and under investment in the nhs etc, our aging population, our kids won’t look after us, it’s down to them nasty immigrants isn’t it ?

So now who is putting words into others mouths? Did I say nasty immigrants? Please tell me where I have posted that word relating to immigrants.
Your kids might not look after you, but such a broad brush generalisation sounds silly.
So you accept that immigration has put pressure on infrastructure and housing, so thank you for agreeing that matter .Investment in the NHS has been never so high, and that is to enable the NHS to keep pace with a population growth immensely caused by the unchecked flow of immigrants from the EU, and that would only increase even more rapidly when Juncker has his way to bring six, yes six more Eastern States into the Brussels federalist club. Guess who would be asked to pay more for that - the UK would see its payments increase to £22 billion without rebate by 2025 - that will be good for the kids you are so concerned about. Perhaps those in work will not mind paying more in Income Tax and National Insurance when those coming from the EU pay or have paid next to bugger all, yet use the NHS at a cost far beyond their contributions.
By Mr Jones
#1108058
You should google insult and google suggestion, they are different things kinchy, The immigrants that you seem to despise, they will look after you in a minimum wage type of way, your kids are only interested in your last will and testament and stripping your wallpaper. :D

I find your way of communicating hard to follow, that’s all I can say right now.
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By Jimbo1916
#1108060
pete evans wrote:
Mon May 14, 2018 8:35 am
what other gripes are more important. Money is what matters, certainly to me. Now please dont get personal. Please stop asking me for details. if you want something I will issue an Invoice as normal.
So out of all the vast complexities concerning Brexit, your main concern is that the exchange rate is a bit low at the moment, conveniently forgetting that it was much lower not so long ago when Brexit was nowhere on the horizon.

For what it`s worth .. I don`t care if the UK stays in out. But I do respect a persons right to vote without being called a sucker or a traitor or a turkey voting for Christmas.

I rest my case.
By Kinchy
#1108064

I find your way of communicating hard to follow, that’s all I can say right now.


Well I must say that I find that easy to understand. :D
Where have I said that I despise immigrants? Please back that up with evidence.
In a minimum wage type of way? What do you mean "in a type of way"? Again please elaborate.
My children have no interest in my estate, and as for stripping wall paper, we do not have wallpaper :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
It has not taken you long to revert with insults has it?

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