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By Kinchy
#1104918
Regarding this Brexit, I still think it won’t happen
Why don't you think it will happen?
, the very poorest members of society always suffer when the shit hits the fan, the poorest regions of the uk did well out of europe,
So are you saying that the magnificent people at the helm of the EUSSR in their kindness decided to give the poorer regions of the UK the money to improve their lives?
Sorry, but the money our dear benevolent "friends" of the EUSSR just gave us back some of the 13, 4 billion we paid into that corrupt club every year, but told us where we should spend it - dictatorship veiled in kindness.
[bSo i think when the second]refferundum comes around the whole thing will get back heeled by a public who will hopefully be a bit more clued up about the actual implications of this process.
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There will be NO second referendum despite the underhand funding of Miller Soubry Adonis et al, by the billionaire Hugarian - American Soros funding the anti Brexit groups in order to maintain HIS growth of billions.

[b]They say Brexit is like a divorce, well during a divorce you split things, so for example, the house, the woman gets everything inside and the man gets everything outside. How many people do you know who are happy with their divorce, probably 50% the same number who voted to leave or stay in europe. [/b

In a divorce yes you are correct, so when will the UK get its share of the value of the assets of the EUSSR and the £billions in the bank accounts?

I think if you want to abandon trading with our nearest geographical Neighbour’s, that’s fine, but surely it’s going to be hard to pay these uk workers the same rate of pay whilst absorbing the costs of exporting goods to Australia and the back of beyond?
Who said we should abandon trading with the EUSSR - not me. WTO terms will actually be of financial benefit to the UK, but may seriously harm the workers of the EUSSR companies exporting to the UK.
As far as shipping costs are concerned, when I was involved in CC and International trade, we could buy 40 foot containers to China for 200 US dollars, + CAF and BAF whereas a 13.5 metre trailer to Dublin cost approx £700.
Paying UK workers ( something very close to your heart) could very well improve with greater productivity and industrial growth.

This farce of a negotiation has been dragging on for too long with the UK playing the role of supplicant.
No matter what the UK offers the EU, they will move the goalposts again and again to try and force us into staying.
It’s time to walk away and prepare for WTO rules using the money we save from leaving the EU to support business and services during the adjustment period. Having formally left there will be a greater incentive for the EU to enter trade talks without imposing preconditions or adopting a threatening stance in an effort to punish the UK.
It is time to call the EU's obvious bluff. Walk away from the negotiations. The EU member states will quickly turn on each other, and on Juncker and Barnier.
Wake up to the fact that we are dealing with a sullen group of socialists and Marxists who are anxious to keep their grubby lips firmly upon the UK taxpayers teat
By Burrababa
#1104919
pete evans wrote:
Fri Feb 09, 2018 5:21 pm
He apologized and then provided accurate info--more than can be said of you

What do I need to apologize for? My statement wasnt wrong. I for one was certainly much better off before the pantomime, sorry I mean referendum.
oldboy dealt with your comment with a very accurate rebuttal --so read it again with his amended exchange rate--his comments still stand :roll:
By Ianhaig25
#1104921
Kinchy wrote:No matter what the UK offers the EU, they will move the goalposts again and again to try and force us into staying.
I think you have got that the wrong way round.

UK votes to leave, brexit means brexit, out of customs union, I out of single market etc etc.

EU. Says ok serve notice.

UK. Err not yet can you wait 10 months.

EU.. OK if that's what you want.

UK.. Here's our 2 year notice to get out of all your stuff and rules.

EU... Thanks.


UK... Is it possible that when we leave in March 2019 we can stay as a member for another couple of years as we want to remain in the single market and customs union and reap those benefits.

EU... OK again, I our only condition is that if you want to stay for another couple of years then all rules apply.
You asked to stay, so yes we all agree you can but all rules must apply during those 2 years not just some.

UK. That's not fair, we want to stay, our request, and we want to set the rules.


Sorry kinchy as far as the transitional period goes it's the UK who are being unreasonable.
It's not the EU that asked for the transitional period.
If the UK doesn't like the conditions of the EU they can leave, oh yes they said they are leaving nearly 2 years ago, another year before the leaving date arrives and yet they are asking for another couple of years transition after that.

No wonder the EU keeps asking May,. What do you want, and and still has no answer because she can't pick a side, and either Hammond or Hogg.
By Kinchy
#1104922
to remain in the single market and customs union and reap those benefits.

EU... OK again, I our only condition is that if you want to stay for another couple of years then all rules apply.
You asked to stay, so yes we all agree you can but all rules must apply during those 2 years not just some.

Reap the benefits what a joke. Have another 1 million EUSSR unskilled workers coming to the UK to place more pressure on the already exhausted services of the NHS, Education and Housing. Two more years of not being able to strike our own trade deals wherever we wish yes some great benefits those!!

Why should this nation be forced to accept every single new piece of legislation handed down without having any yes any say in whether we agree or not?.
I do not agree with a transitional period and most certainly do not agree with , as Rees Mogg has put it being a vassal state of the EUSSR.
29th of March 2019 should be a day of National celebration of the freedom of the UK from the EUSSR.
The same as I voted for in the 1975 referendum when the UK was taken into the cabal without any vote in 1972 by the cowardly Heath.
I would suggest you read again the wording of the speech from Jean Monnet.
By Burrababa
#1104923
The EU is stonewalling --Mrs May has made it clear that the UK wants a close and strong partnership with the EU --but from outside--the transition period would be in both the EU's and UK's interest as it would provide stability for business.

The EU however have taken this a an opportunity to try and force the UK to stay in the single market and customs union----why ----because staying in the single market would mean we keep paying in with no seat at the top table---and staying in the customs union would limit the UK's ability to strike meaningful trade agreements outside the EU.

They have seized on the Good Friday agreement as a big stick to sit back and beat the UK whilst demanding that we continue to abide by their rules and ECJ etc etc---very little sign of compromise that any two parties need to make when negotiating an agreement.

Trying to prevent a deal on Financial Services is another effort to thwart rather than strike a mutually beneficial deal.

A threat to ground UK airways is also unhelpful though they claim to be hiding behind the fact that BREXIT would lead to this rather than working together to find a mutually acceptable solution,

This could be brinkmanship but it could also signal that they would rather punish the UK than do a deal--if that is the case it would be a monumental mistake as it would involve a great deal of self harm.

Maybe they are working on the fact that they would rather go down this route than do a deal as it would deter any other exits and safeguard the Federal EU--banking on the fact that the EU is big enough to ride out the financial chaos that could result whereas the UK on its own would never recover from such a financial hit and could effectively be sidelined as a world force --it is a ruthless competitive world and they have probably countless reasons why this would be justifiable.

Taking all this into consideration the UK are now committed and any crawl back to the EU is laughable and I can't understand why the Remoaners can't understand that we would be a vassal state if we did --they would just suck all the money out of us to improve their own countries.

The country needs to understand all of this and pull together to conclude the exit as soon as possible --Deal or No Deal
By Ianhaig25
#1104924
And you both miss the point that it was the UK government, which both of you support, that decided it wanted a transitional period, and not the EU.

And if they don't like the terms they can do without.

Let's see how strong and firm May is.

I suspect she is busy getting out the white flag - again.


As for blaming the EU and saying they are wrong for insisting on its rules if UK wants in is ridiculous.

You really need to lay the blame for what is happening now at the feet of May and her wanting to stay in during the transition.

The EU never asked the UK about the transitional period, it was Theresa May

So you need to blame her kinchy.
By pete evans
#1104933
Burrababa and Oldboy seem very cosy, backing each other up. Is there something I dont know?
By old boy
#1104934
pete evans wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:50 am
Burrababa and Oldboy seem very cosy, backing each other up. Is there something I dont know?


Like myself, I am sure that there is plenty that you don't know. But as far as Burrababa is concerned, I wouldn't know him from a hole in the wall. And all he has really done is to accept that I made a typographical mistake by missing out the number one that should have been inserted immediately after the decimal point in the figure that I gave.

I don't think that it was a hanging offence.

I should add, though, that I voted to remain, and I still remain of the opinion the UK should stay within the EU for a myriad of reasons that I believe outweigh any of the arguments for leaving. However, I fully accept the decision of the majority who voted, in error in my opinion, to exit the EU, but I just wish that they would get on with it. I have seen, heard and read enough about Brexit, already!
By Burrababa
#1104938
Irrespective of who asked for the transition period and for how long-- Ianhaig25 trying to blame the UK for this misses the point that the EU want this period extended under their terms and conditions claiming that time is too short to negotiate a deal
By Burrababa
#1104940
pete evans wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 9:50 am
Burrababa and Oldboy seem very cosy, backing each other up. Is there something I dont know?
Never a true word---yes indeed there is a lot you do not know and it would certainly help you to treat this as a learning opportunity :lol: :lol: :lol:
By Burrababa
#1104941
Hi Kev/Mrs Nelson-----based on your analysis of what you have seen and heard about Brexit--I respect your view that you would rather the UK remained in the Eu

However having said that --Article 50 has been triggered and the UK is negotiating its way out

Assuming the UK has a change of heart and recant as you keep hoping for

Can you please articulate a scenario as to what terms the UK would be rejoining the EU on---for instance would we pay the same amount of money in--will the UK still accept all EU citizens who want to hop across the channel--would the UK be part of the new EU army--would the UK accept the Euro and phase out the UK Pound

Plenty there to get your teeth into-plus a lot more when you have dealt with these--comprehensive responses only and no sitting on the fence like the Labour Party !!! :roll:
By Ianhaig25
#1104946
Burrababa wrote:
Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:50 pm
Irrespective of who asked for the transition period and for how long-- Ianhaig25 trying to blame the UK for this misses the point that the EU want this period extended under their terms and conditions claiming that time is too short to negotiate a deal
Strange that every report states the UK requested it.

Care to show where the EU has asked for it to be extended. There are lots of reports of the UK possibly requesting an extension, but not the other way.

As for demands, can you advise if a single demand being made by the EU of the UK for agreeing to a transition period which is not part of the EU already and existing rules operated by both the EU and the UK.

I think, sorry I know, there are none.

I repeat start blaming the right people for the transition deal and that's your beloved Theresa - brexit means brexit (sometimes) - May.


And if everything is going so well why are the government ministers at loggerheads over what is happening with brexit
By Burrababa
#1104948
Try keeping up!!

Here is a comment made by the EU on 29 Jan 2018

Ekaterina Zakharieva, the deputy prime minister of Bulgaria, which is currently chairing the European Council, said at a press conference in Brussels that there was “flexibility” in the length of the period.

Speaking alongside European Commission chief negotiator Michel Barnier the minister said if no trade agreement was agreed during the time, the period could be longer.

“What we agreed upon during the Council earlier today was … for a fixed specific cut-off date,” she told reporters.

“But, the negotiation directives and the declaration that was approved by the Council allow for the flexibility in terms of this period in case we didn’t manage to achieve progress on the negotiations for the future.

That is just code for saying that the negotiations would take as long as the EU felt was necessary---in the mean time who do you think is paying for this generous gesture towards the UK-- :roll: :roll:
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