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By dot
#1096146
See the council are at it again all the beach bars along from Nautilus are all closed signs up saying by Torrevieja TownnHall anybody heard what the issue is
By royazul
#1096159
This came about according to the local paper because a business made a planning application on nearby land and the Town Hall discovered the bars had no licence, but had been paying their rent on time for the last ten years. Also some mention of the land being of historical value
By old boy
#1096167
royazul wrote:
Fri Jul 21, 2017 3:12 pm
This came about according to the local paper because a business made a planning application on nearby land and the Town Hall discovered the bars had no licence, but had been paying their rent on time for the last ten years. Also some mention of the land being of historical value
To add to what Roy has written, at least one of the bars had been paying a sum to Torrevieja ayuntamiento (town hall) for many years, possibly since 2008. I would assume that those running the bar/s received receipts for the monies, but there has been no explanation from the town hall that clarifies what the money was for.

Heaven forbid that they might have been a payments to encourage the authorities to not notice that the bar/s were there.
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By johnnyC
#1096180
perhaps the beach bars offended the view from the swanky apartment blocks under development along that stretch...

Could affect sales...

Can,t have the plebs enjoying themselves , and with loud music on our patch, can we ??
By royazul
#1096231
johnnyC wrote:perhaps the beach bars offended the view from the swanky apartment blocks under development along that stretch...

Could affect sales...

Can,t have the plebs enjoying themselves , and with loud music on our patch, can we ??
Wrong ! No body has complained. This came about according to the local paper because local a business made a planning application on nearby land and the Town Hall discovered the bars had no licence, but had been paying their rent on time for the last ten years. Also some mention of the land being of historical value
By Mrs Nelson
#1096261
I heard in Facebook that some of the bars were open,

What actually is the current status?
All open, some open all closed?

Re historic status, what is that big piece of concrete coming out of the ground right at the end of the beach ?

Kev
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By TonyHoward
#1096765
harry wrote:
Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:35 pm
Info wrote:
Sun Jul 23, 2017 12:22 pm
Kev are you talking about the old air-raid shelter in the attached link http://www.diarioinformacion.com/vega-b ... 07220.html

Bee
Just wondered Bee, an air-raid shelter from who? - Spain weren't (I think), in the either world war, surely not when Franco was in power?
May be c19th, but more likely to be associated with the Civil War - hope someone can enlighten me.
By Info
#1096768
It is from the Spanish Civil War 1936 to 1939. A very bloody and savage event which still marks Spanish society to this day. For anybody who has a passing interest I would recommend the author Paul Preston. There are many more like Hugh Thomas, Ernest Hemmingway, Anthony Beevor and Ian Gibson to name but a few. Bee
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By Jimbo1916
#1096774
Many Spanish towns were bombed by the Nazis during the Spanish Civil War, Guernica being one of the most notorious. Now depicted in a famous painting by Picasso.

Other towns were bombed, Madrid, Almeria, Barcelona, etc.

So air raid shelters would have been erected in many towns and cities.
By wingman
#1097005
Very little civilian conurbation around PP in the Civil War period. The shelters were more likely for military personnel manning anti aircraft and coastal battery artillery positions during the conflict. PP was possibly sited to protect Torrevieja Port entrance about 2nm away. The coastal batteries along CB South were used to engage cruisers that attacked Alicante port and city at one point in the War. In addition there was an old Carabineros (Frontier and Customs) Barracks in the same area that the military would have jointly used.
There are some interesting tit bits about the local area and the Civil War knocking about...as Bee says...worth a read.
By freddo
#1097010
Torrevieja was heavily bombed during the Civil war by Franco orders as it was a sheltering point for the other side a lot of people were killed

On august 25, 1938, the Italian Fascist Air-force, performed a bombing raid on the peaceful town of Torrevieja, killing 19 and wounding a further 47 civilians.

The Civil War is a period of history that the Spanish still show great reluctance to talk about, as memories and hatred still festers in the minds of survivors who lost loved ones in the conflict. Three months to the day earlier, the city of Alicante suffered a similar fate, when the Italians bombed the centre of the city, picking on a packed central market on May 25, 1938. This cowardly and unprovoked act on an ‘open city’ resulted in 300 deaths and hundreds more casualties.

Try to research the bombing in the official archives of Torrevieja or Alicante and you will probably find that all official records of the act of violence have been destroyed as Spain tried to hide this particular part of her shameful past. That was 73 years ago but it seems that there are still some who are intent on keeping the memory alive, for all the wrong reasons. Alicante vandals took it in their own hands to try and destroy a plaque in memory of those who died or suffered on this day.

However, the city of Alicante will soon restore the plaque commemorating the bombing of the Central Market during the Civil War in 1938 that caused 300 civilian deaths, after the same has been damaged in an "act of vandalism." The plaque was inaugurated last May 25, on the anniversary of the event, 73 years after of slaughter of unarmed civilians, and the mayor of the city, Sonia Castedo, PP, accepted the demands of the Civic Commission for Historical Memory in context, to make mention that the bombing was the work of Italian "fascist" aircraft.

The city spokesperson, Marta Garcia-Romeu, described the "vandalism" and the destruction of the plate, which occurred last weekend, and reported that technicians would make an assessment of the damage, repair it and return it to its rightful place, as soon as possible.  For Garcia-Romeu, the plaque and its reference to the bombing of May 25, 1938 represent "a part of the historical memory" of the city and "a symbol and reminder."

"On May 25, 1938 the city of Alicante suffered the bombing of the Italian Fascist air force with the result of more than 300 civilian casualties. This square is dedicated to their memory," says the plate. On May 25, 1938 nine Italian aircraft dropped 90 bombs on the central market of Alicante resulting in the deaths of more than three hundred children, women and men all civilians, who died in what, according to a report of a British commission, emerged as one of the first "deliberate attacks against civilians" during the Spanish Civil War.

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