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Postby Brindleboy123 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:19 pm

He has no idea does he :roll:

Shambolic Jeremy Corbyn drops 'idiotic' plan for national maximum wage within HOURS of unveiling it... but suggests hiking taxes for those earning more than £70,000 instead
Labour leader is making his first major intervention of the year today
Used interviews this morning to call for legal cap on pay despite Cuba being the only country having such a policy in force
But seemed to backtrack in a speech this afternoon by only proposing limits on companies with government contracts
Also mooted a new tax rate that could hit those earning more than £70,000
Labour's John Mann challenged Corbyn to place £100,000 limit on MPs' earnings - meaning the leader would take a huge pay cut


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Re: Space Cadet

Postby Brindleboy123 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 5:28 pm

Jeremy Corbyn insists he WOULD join Southern Rail picket lines despite strikes causing misery for thousands
Labour leader risked the outrage of hundreds of thousands of commuters
Corbyn ally John McDonnell had previously said Labour backed all strikes
Southern staff are striking over claims driver-only operated trains are dangerous
The lenghty dispute continues despite train watchdog ruling the trains are safe


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Re: Space Cadet

Postby old boy » Tue Jan 10, 2017 6:20 pm

I appreciate Mr Corbyn's concern about the pay gulf between the highest paid and the lowest, but he really needs to be careful, as Mrs Nelson has recently said about something else, not to throw the baby out with the bath water.

Restricting earnings or capping salaries and bonuses would be taking us back to the bad old days of the 70s, when bosses and shareholders were punished for allowing their companies to make profit. For vast swathes of businesses, it meant that the taxman took 52% of the profits in Corporation Tax, and if any was left then by law a minimum of half of it had to be distributed every year, and that would be taxed at up to 98%. So, for every £100 profit that had been earned by your sweat and blood (in many, many cases) you were allowed to keep 96 pence.

Is it any wonder that this caused what became known as the brain drain, and which did incalculable damage to the British economy? And when something similar was proposed by President Hollande in France at the time of his election, which was never implemented because almost overnight all the highest individual earners and companies in France declared themselves to be tax resident outside of La Belle France. It was an unmitigated disaster, and it wasn't even set up!

Fiscal history actually proves that revenues to the Exchequer can actually be boosted by reducing taxation. It encourages employers to invest more, it discourages tax payers from finding ingenious ways to avoid paying their dues because it is not worth doing. It always increases employment, and usually helps boost salaries and wages.

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Re: Space Cadet

Postby Mrs Nelson » Tue Jan 10, 2017 10:12 pm

Great speech I thought,

Not sure why people like brindle who are not affected by Europe by Brexit by fluctuations in currency, by the under funded nhs are even making a comment about it?

No reference mr b to the bungling tories and their strategy on Brexit or the millions who are working yet require benefits, or the folks between jobs who rely on food banks who might not share your view.

Thanks old boy, surely time now to look at the future and not the past. The gulf between low paid and the man at the top is crazy, and I'm sure if potential directors turn up their nose at a 350 grand a year job, unlike the 70's there will be no shortage of takers, if they want to run back to Europe well good riddance to them, I can't comment about the tax implications whether they will be what you suggest.

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Re: Space Cadet

Postby Brindleboy123 » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:06 pm

Mrs Nelson wrote:Great speech I thought,

Not sure why people like brindle who are not affected by Europe by Brexit by fluctuations in currency, by the under funded nhs are even making a comment about it?

No reference mr b to the bungling tories and their strategy on Brexit or the millions who are working yet require benefits, or the folks between jobs who rely on food banks Why does this bother you, as this does not affect you :roll: who might not share your view
Thanks old boy, surely time now to look at the future and not the past. The gulf between low paid and the man at the top is crazy, and I'm sure if potential directors turn up their nose at a 350 grand a year job, unlike the 70's there will be no shortage of takers, if they want to run back to Europe well good riddance to them, I can't comment about the tax implications whether they will be what you suggest.

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Re: Space Cadet

Postby old boy » Tue Jan 10, 2017 11:43 pm

Mrs Nelson, the biggest problem with Mr Corbyn is that nobody really knows what his ideals or policies are, because he repeatedly seems to change his mind or modify his thinking.

Take yesterday, for example. The political parties have taken to briefing the media a day or sometimes days in advance of a major speech or announcement. On Sunday and yesterday, the media were all discussing what Corbyn was going to be saying at his meeting today, primarily about Brexit but also some other items. He was going to say, so the Labour Party briefings stated, that the new line was that immigration needed to be curtailed even if that meant that the UK no longer had unfettered access to the single market.

Yet, during interviews with the media early this morning, in particular on the Today programme on Radio 4 which I listened to, he was denying that that was what was meant. He believed that if lower paid employees were paid more then that would mean that fewer immigrants would come to the UK to take jobs that British workers won't take currently.

Then he went on about the pay differential. He was quite firm that he wanted to see caps introduced on all higher paid salaries; no mention of any particular section of commerce or industry, or whether or not they were employed by government in any way, shape or form.

Then, as soon as he had given his speech, half his cabinet and sundry other Labour luminaries were queueing up to tell the media that he actually didn't mean half of what he had said in the earlier interviews and that his speech had been misunderstood. In fact one of his spokespeople has said, officially, that he had "miss-spoken" in all his interviews this morning.

And when it comes to defence, Mr Corbyn is now in favour of the building of the 4 new Polaris submarines, but if he was government during their construction, then they would not be fitted out to take their intended weapons. I assume he would allow them to have pea-shooters, though!

But back to Brexit. The most galling thing for me as an observer is that he is allowing himself to be used by others, who have their own agenda. Just as with the Virgin Trains episode, when he allowed others to try and make up a story, so it is with Europe. He has been against the UK being part of the EU since at least the time that he became an MP, and he has defied his party's whips on every vote and opposed all EU related matters. I believe that he may have made exceptions to his stance when voting on matters relating to improvements to workers' rights - no argument there from me as a rule of thumb.

And although it is believed that he actually voted in favour of Brexit last June, his party seems to be insisting that he pretend that he is in favour of staying, or at least retaining all privileges of being a member. Why can't he just take a principled stand, say 'I don't, and I have never, approved of the EU, and because that is not the policy of the Labour Party, I shall not discuss Brexit at all. I will leave that entirely to my shadow cabinet, to speak on behalf of the Party'.

I would have a lot more respect for him, then.

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Re: Space Cadet

Postby Brindleboy123 » Wed Jan 11, 2017 8:21 am

A monk in chilly Tibet couldn't make sense of Comrade Calamity's baloney: QUENTIN LETTS sees the Labour leader make U-turn upon U-turn :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Space Cadet

Postby Mrs Nelson » Wed Jan 11, 2017 11:58 am

old boy wrote:Mrs Nelson, the biggest problem with Mr Corbyn is that nobody really knows what his ideals or policies are, because he repeatedly seems to change his mind or modify his thinking.

Take yesterday, for example. The political parties have taken to briefing the media a day or sometimes days in advance of a major speech or announcement. On Sunday and yesterday, the media were all discussing what Corbyn was going to be saying at his meeting today, primarily about Brexit but also some other items. He was going to say, so the Labour Party briefings stated, that the new line was that immigration needed to be curtailed even if that meant that the UK no longer had unfettered access to the single market.

Yet, during interviews with the media early this morning, in particular on the Today programme on Radio 4 which I listened to, he was denying that that was what was meant. He believed that if lower paid employees were paid more then that would mean that fewer immigrants would come to the UK to take jobs that British workers won't take currently.

Then he went on about the pay differential. He was quite firm that he wanted to see caps introduced on all higher paid salaries; no mention of any particular section of commerce or industry, or whether or not they were employed by government in any way, shape or form.

Then, as soon as he had given his speech, half his cabinet and sundry other Labour luminaries were queueing up to tell the media that he actually didn't mean half of what he had said in the earlier interviews and that his speech had been misunderstood. In fact one of his spokespeople has said, officially, that he had "miss-spoken" in all his interviews this morning.

And when it comes to defence, Mr Corbyn is now in favour of the building of the 4 new Polaris submarines, but if he was government during their construction, then they would not be fitted out to take their intended weapons. I assume he would allow them to have pea-shooters, though!

But back to Brexit. The most galling thing for me as an observer is that he is allowing himself to be used by others, who have their own agenda. Just as with the Virgin Trains episode, when he allowed others to try and make up a story, so it is with Europe. He has been against the UK being part of the EU since at least the time that he became an MP, and he has defied his party's whips on every vote and opposed all EU related matters. I believe that he may have made exceptions to his stance when voting on matters relating to improvements to workers' rights - no argument there from me as a rule of thumb.

And although it is believed that he actually voted in favour of Brexit last June, his party seems to be insisting that he pretend that he is in favour of staying, or at least retaining all privileges of being a member. Why can't he just take a principled stand, say 'I don't, and I have never, approved of the EU, and because that is not the policy of the Labour Party, I shall not discuss Brexit at all. I will leave that entirely to my shadow cabinet, to speak on behalf of the Party'.

I would have a lot more respect for him, then.


To be honest with you OB. I didn't exactly perceive the pre interview tasters in the fashion you describe them, but I think I agree that the media was expecting something big and got nothing big at all. Personally I wasn't expecting JC to announce that he would favour losing our trading partners to win border control, I didn't see anything in the press to pre empt that, but I have a family to care for and can't be glued to the news outlets all day. Regarding the immigration question, JC should have been much clearer and much harder, suggesting that immigration will fall because wages will go up sounds barmy to me, surely it will make the U.K. A more attractive option?

I'm sorry but duty calls I have to run

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Re: Space Cadet

Postby Ketron » Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:20 pm

Mrs Nelson wrote:
I'm sorry but duty calls I have to run

Cheers

Kev

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Have you been taking the laxative's again ? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Space Cadet

Postby Mrs Nelson » Wed Jan 11, 2017 3:40 pm

No it was Aaron, clean up aisle 2

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Re: Space Cadet

Postby Ketron » Wed Jan 11, 2017 5:47 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Space Cadet

Postby Veronica » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:34 pm

Mrs Nelson wrote:
old boy wrote:Mrs Nelson, the biggest problem with Mr Corbyn is that nobody really knows what his ideals or policies are, because he repeatedly seems to change his mind or modify his thinking.

Take yesterday, for example. The political parties have taken to briefing the media a day or sometimes days in advance of a major speech or announcement. On Sunday and yesterday, the media were all discussing what Corbyn was going to be saying at his meeting today, primarily about Brexit but also some other items. He was going to say, so the Labour Party briefings stated, that the new line was that immigration needed to be curtailed even if that meant that the UK no longer had unfettered access to the single market.

Yet, during interviews with the media early this morning, in particular on the Today programme on Radio 4 which I listened to, he was denying that that was what was meant. He believed that if lower paid employees were paid more then that would mean that fewer immigrants would come to the UK to take jobs that British workers won't take currently.

Then he went on about the pay differential. He was quite firm that he wanted to see caps introduced on all higher paid salaries; no mention of any particular section of commerce or industry, or whether or not they were employed by government in any way, shape or form.

Then, as soon as he had given his speech, half his cabinet and sundry other Labour luminaries were queueing up to tell the media that he actually didn't mean half of what he had said in the earlier interviews and that his speech had been misunderstood. In fact one of his spokespeople has said, officially, that he had "miss-spoken" in all his interviews this morning.

And when it comes to defence, Mr Corbyn is now in favour of the building of the 4 new Polaris submarines, but if he was government during their construction, then they would not be fitted out to take their intended weapons. I assume he would allow them to have pea-shooters, though!

But back to Brexit. The most galling thing for me as an observer is that he is allowing himself to be used by others, who have their own agenda. Just as with the Virgin Trains episode, when he allowed others to try and make up a story, so it is with Europe. He has been against the UK being part of the EU since at least the time that he became an MP, and he has defied his party's whips on every vote and opposed all EU related matters. I believe that he may have made exceptions to his stance when voting on matters relating to improvements to workers' rights - no argument there from me as a rule of thumb.

And although it is believed that he actually voted in favour of Brexit last June, his party seems to be insisting that he pretend that he is in favour of staying, or at least retaining all privileges of being a member. Why can't he just take a principled stand, say 'I don't, and I have never, approved of the EU, and because that is not the policy of the Labour Party, I shall not discuss Brexit at all. I will leave that entirely to my shadow cabinet, to speak on behalf of the Party'.

I would have a lot more respect for him, then.


To be honest with you OB. I didn't exactly perceive the pre interview tasters in the fashion you describe them, but I think I agree that the media was expecting something big and got nothing big at all. Personally I wasn't expecting JC to announce that he would favour losing our trading partners to win border control, I didn't see anything in the press to pre empt that, but I have a family to care for and can't be glued to the news outlets all day. Regarding the immigration question, JC should have been much clearer and much harder, suggesting that immigration will fall because wages will go up sounds barmy to me, surely it will make the U.K. A more attractive option?

I'm sorry but duty calls I have to run

Cheers

Kev
You would not know what duty was or means f it bit you on the arse :roll:

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Re: Space Cadet

Postby JimDuffyLFC » Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:40 pm

Family duty.
IMO the most important duty we ever undertake.

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Re: Space Cadet

Postby Mrs Nelson » Wed Jan 11, 2017 10:44 pm

well said Jim

Take no notice of officer Mitty.

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