Brexit means?

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Re: Brexit means?

Postby Sheff_Blade » Fri Jan 06, 2017 1:51 pm

Today's front-page headlines:

More Strong Economic Data following Leave Vote - Financial Times

Britain has world's top economy after Brexit - The Times

For TVTechnology, The Independent hasn't been printed since March 2016.

The Grauniad has yet another front-page article about someone who has lived in the UK for some years but can't get a UK passport. He's been advised to apply for residency which sounds similar to Spain. The Guardian don't seem to have realised yet that nothing has changed since the vote so this chap's dilemma is nothing to do with the Brexit.

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Re: Brexit means?

Postby Brandy Boy » Fri Jan 06, 2017 2:51 pm

So every company / restaurant in the UK who has had to lay off staff since the referendum were doing just fine and dandy before. :D

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Re: Brexit means?

Postby JimDuffyLFC » Fri Jan 06, 2017 3:35 pm

Britain has to talk Brexit up. It would be insane for them not to.
They have made their bed.
Now they need to find someone to share it with.

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Re: Brexit means?

Postby Sheff_Blade » Fri Jan 06, 2017 4:08 pm

JimDuffyLFC wrote:Britain has to talk Brexit up. It would be insane for them not to.
They have made their bed.
Now they need to find someone to share it with.


????????

What are you talking about?

I don't think there's any need to talk up "top economy in the world"; it's there for all to see.

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Re: Brexit means?

Postby TVTechnology » Fri Jan 06, 2017 6:00 pm

Problem is with figures is they are conveniently massaged by those publishing them.

Of course not all parts of the UK economy is a train wreck.

However facts are facts - As mentioned on an earlier post - 2 people I directly know have reported considerable job losses in their firms - companies stated Brexit as cause, relocating staff - with further threats on the horizon, outcome based on Brexit deals. Long term issues over debt are swept under carpet by today's papers (both person and country).

If the city really does catch a cold (at the moment there's a sniffle or two) 30% or so of the economy could take a serious dip, at that percentage would be enough to tip off a recession. This is why the UK is pumping more money into the banks - If we are doing so well, why did we need to print - to keep trying to keep economy growth - rather than show the truth.

The UK created £375bn ($550bn) of new money in its QE programme between 2009 and 2012.

Now another 100 billion being slipped in to stave off issues with the Brexit......


UK is not doing so well - though of course depends what questions you ask and how you compare it to others.

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Re: Brexit means?

Postby JimDuffyLFC » Fri Jan 06, 2017 10:19 pm

Sheff_Blade wrote:
JimDuffyLFC wrote:Britain has to talk Brexit up. It would be insane for them not to.
They have made their bed.
Now they need to find someone to share it with.


????????

What are you talking about?

I don't think there's any need to talk up "top economy in the world"; it's there for all to see.


Seriously?
You believe that?

Why is the pound so weak?

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Re: Brexit means?

Postby Sheff_Blade » Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:04 pm

This highlights perfectly that there is no 'right answer' to Brexit or politics in general for that matter. We all have our own principles and beliefs and whenever we see some facts or evidence that doesn't fit, then we choose to ignore them. The IMF or whoever say X but I know two blokes down the pub and they told me Y. Both sides of the argument do it, ignoring or twisting any 'evidence' that suggests they're wrong.

Leaving or remaining in the EU was an act of belief or faith just like religion. There is no piece of evidence to prove which is the right option. Even in a few years time, if the UK is booming then europhiles will say it would have boomed more in the EU and vice versa.

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Re: Brexit means?

Postby Mrs Nelson » Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:18 pm

It's really easy to have a good economy, you cut spending to essential services, you get everyone working as cheap as possible keeping exports and profit making viable.

It's nothing to shout about, wait till you spend a night on a trolley in a draughty hospital corridor, it's a bit crap.

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Re: Brexit means?

Postby valenciasman » Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:25 pm

I can't get my head around why someone would move from UK into the EU and then vote for UK to leave EU. That shouldn't have been allowed. Once you give up UK residency you should give up the right to alter its future.
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Re: Brexit means?

Postby Mrs Nelson » Sat Jan 07, 2017 12:45 pm

According to sky, regarding Brexit, the public has very low faith in our leaders, do you think if faced with a lousy deal we will get the chance to pull the plug,

I think a lot of people would say, "well we have taught the politicians a lesson, but let's not throw the baby out with the bath water"

Staying with sky, the nhs is grinding to a halt, oh dear.

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Re: Brexit means?

Postby Kinchy » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:06 pm

I can't get my hear around why someone would move from UK into the EU and then vote for UK to leave EU. That shouldn't have been allowed. Once you give up UK residency you should give up the right to alter its future.

Now that is a very pertinent point

I did not give up my UK residency to take Spanish residency because I do not spend all my time in Spain, even though I have owned property in Spain since 2004.
So I am allowed to vote in the UK and exercise my right to try and influence the future of the UK by means of voting. I voted not for myself but for my grandsons and their future children.

I voted for the UK to take back control of its borders, its fisheries, its agricultural policies, its law making processes, its right to buy from third world suppliers who are subject to huge protectionist tariffs imposed by Brussels, to control its own armed forces and not have them controlled in a misguided attempt to scare the Russian bear, who has bitten back against the EU due to the expansionist ambitions of people like Juncker and Verhofstadt, with their stupid desire to bring the Ukraine into the Brussels club, to bring the UK away from the Human Rights Legislation which forces the UK to have to seek permission from Strasbourg to deport or allow extradition of people like Abu Hamza, for the UK to forge its own trade policies with whomever it wishes to and not have to have any trade deal ratified by the politburo in Brussels, and these are just a few reasons.

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Re: Brexit means?

Postby Sheff_Blade » Sat Jan 07, 2017 1:18 pm

Mrs Nelson wrote:It's really easy to have a good economy, you cut spending to essential services, you get everyone working as cheap as possible keeping exports and profit making viable.


I didn't realise you were such an economic wizard! But why are Spain and Greece still in such a mess? Perhaps you're still an apprentice.

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Re: Brexit means?

Postby Brandy Boy » Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:03 pm

Kinchy wrote:I can't get my hear around why someone would move from UK into the EU and then vote for UK to leave EU. That shouldn't have been allowed. Once you give up UK residency you should give up the right to alter its future.

Now that is a very pertinent point

I did not give up my UK residency to take Spanish residency because I do not spend all my time in Spain, even though I have owned property in Spain since 2004.
So I am allowed to vote in the UK and exercise my right to try and influence the future of the UK by means of voting. I voted not for myself but for my grandsons and their future children.

I voted for the UK to take back control of its borders, its fisheries, its agricultural policies, its law making processes, its right to buy from third world suppliers who are subject to huge protectionist tariffs imposed by Brussels, to control its own armed forces and not have them controlled in a misguided attempt to scare the Russian bear, who has bitten back against the EU due to the expansionist ambitions of people like Juncker and Verhofstadt, with their stupid desire to bring the Ukraine into the Brussels club, to bring the UK away from the Human Rights Legislation which forces the UK to have to seek permission from Strasbourg to deport or allow extradition of people like Abu Hamza, for the UK to forge its own trade policies with whomever it wishes to and not have to have any trade deal ratified by the politburo in Brussels, and these are just a few reasons.


You won't get any remoaners on here,including mrs nelson, to say why they voted / want the UK to stay in the EU, with as much clarity and honesty as your comment, because they don't know. :D

They voted / want the same old, same old. Ask them what it is and they wouldn't be able to tell you, but rather slag off people who voted out.

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Re: Brexit means?

Postby valenciasman » Sat Jan 07, 2017 2:40 pm

I wanted the UK to stay in because nobody knows what coming out will mean. At least being in the UK has a say on how it is run.

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Re: Brexit means?

Postby Ketron » Sat Jan 07, 2017 3:43 pm

Until the EU takes over completely ...Which was just around the corner.
Thank you , "Sir" Nigel Farage . :D


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